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I saw this message below on tabletpcs.net - is it true that the current RC2 
of XP SP2 containes the shipping version of lonestar (XP Tablet Edition 2005
) ?

Jay

>A Microsoft representative contacted me yesterday to confirm that the final
>release of XP Service Pack 2 (SP2), the long-awaited XP security upgrade, w
ill
>likely ship in late July or early August. Furthermore, Tablet PC users who 
are
>interested in getting the next version of XP Tablet PC Edition should downl
oad the
>current XP SP2 Release Candidate 2 (RC2) build because the release includes
 the
>final shipping version of XP Tablet PC Edition 2005.

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That is what an RC means; only "show stoppers" will be addressed now; no
more functionality upgrades.

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>I saw this message below on tabletpcs.net - is it true that the current RC2
>of XP SP2 containes the shipping version of lonestar (XP Tablet Edition
>2005) ?
>
> Jay
> 

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That is correct.  The Windows XP Service Pack 2 for the XP operating system
on which the Tablet PC Edition superset rides will automatically update
Tablets to the 2005 version.  The SP2 update on Media Center Edition
computers will also provide the users with the MCE 2004 superset if they
haven't already updated it through the OEM of their system.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"jay" <jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I saw this message below on tabletpcs.net - is it true that the current RC2
>of XP SP2 containes the shipping version of lonestar (XP Tablet Edition
>2005) ?
>
> Jay
> 

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"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That is correct.  The Windows XP Service Pack 2 for the XP operating
system
> on which the Tablet PC Edition superset rides will automatically update
> Tablets to the 2005 version.  The SP2 update on Media Center Edition
> computers will also provide the users with the MCE 2004 superset if they
> haven't already updated it through the OEM of their system.

Has RC2 received the midas touch yet?

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Hmmm, what if you don't like some of the changes made with SP2, like the new
 lack
of write anywhere?  In the past you had a choice, you just didn't buy the ne
w OS
if you preferred not to upgrade.  But since the upgrade is also a service pa
ck for
the underlying OS, can you avoid it? Is SP2 a mandatory thing?  I mean, is i
t a
rollup of existing hotfixes and security updates (thus, if you are diligent,
 you
already have them), or is it truly necessary for security and functionality'
s
sake?  For example, will it contain some security update(s) that I can't get
elsewhere that will leave me vulnerable to an exploit?  Can I get the
stabilizing/security features of the service pack for the *exisitng* OS with
out
having to actually upgrade?
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> "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> system 
>
> Has RC2 received the midas touch yet?
>
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You know quite honestly I fought about Write Anywhere in the beginning.
After two or three days of usage, I very much prefer the new Tablet Input
Panel, the floating TIP icon (always available) and the improved
recognition.  I wouldn't want the other one back at any price.

And I believe you'll like the security features of SP2, too.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Callahan" <ca_callahan@WHATZA_HEYcomputer.org> wrote in message
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> Hmmm, what if you don't like some of the changes made with SP2, like the
> new lack
> of write anywhere?  In the past you had a choice, you just didn't buy the
> new OS
> if you preferred not to upgrade.  But since the upgrade is also a service
> pack for
> the underlying OS, can you avoid it? Is SP2 a mandatory thing?  I mean, is
> it a
> rollup of existing hotfixes and security updates (thus, if you are
> diligent, you
> already have them), or is it truly necessary for security and
> functionality's
> sake?  For example, will it contain some security update(s) that I can't
> get
> elsewhere that will leave me vulnerable to an exploit?  Can I get the
> stabilizing/security features of the service pack for the *exisitng* OS
> without
> having to actually upgrade?
> --
>
>
> -callahan

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In one of the Channel9 videos a while back, Rebecca Norlander (Group Manager
 of SP2 team) explained that the reason SP2 is so large is because many of t
he binaries are being recompiled with a managed compiler.  I'm assuming that
 you would need to get SP2
itself to get these.  Personally I think the added security greatly outweigh
s any smaller issues.

Link to video:
http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=9400
-Dan

"Callahan" wrote:

> Hmmm, what if you don't like some of the changes made with SP2, like the n
ew lack
> of write anywhere?  In the past you had a choice, you just didn't buy the 
new OS
> if you preferred not to upgrade.  But since the upgrade is also a service 
pack for
> the underlying OS, can you avoid it? Is SP2 a mandatory thing?  I mean, is
 it a
> rollup of existing hotfixes and security updates (thus, if you are diligen
t, you
> already have them), or is it truly necessary for security and functionalit
y's
> sake?  For example, will it contain some security update(s) that I can't g
et
> elsewhere that will leave me vulnerable to an exploit?  Can I get the
> stabilizing/security features of the service pack for the *exisitng* OS wi
thout
> having to actually upgrade?
> --
>
>
> -callahan
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>

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I agree. I missed the write anywhere as well and also the 2 lines writing
which enables you to just write and write and write before actually sending
the text to the application. The increased security, recognition, ability to
edit the recognized text, ability to scratch to erase (more widely
available) and lots more options for developers of ink enabled applications
will give the tablet an immense usability boost. I forgot about the 2
painpoints already :-)

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
www.howto-outlook.com

Tips of the month:
-Backup and Restore
-Create an Office XP CD slipstreamed with Service Pack 3

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"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You know quite honestly I fought about Write Anywhere in the beginning.
> After two or three days of usage, I very much prefer the new Tablet Input
> Panel, the floating TIP icon (always available) and the improved
> recognition.  I wouldn't want the other one back at any price.
>
> And I believe you'll like the security features of SP2, too.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Callahan" <ca_callahan@WHATZA_HEYcomputer.org> wrote in message
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I think a big annoyance with the SP2 TIP is that it can't be left floating.
This causes a problem as many applications do not properly manipulate the
system caret. I encountered this problem when I first created the "in place
TIP" prior to SP2 and it looks like Microsoft has the same problem.

The only way to use the input panel in these apps (Java apps, Mozilla,
flash, Remote Desktop, etc) is to dock it which takes up a ton of space.

I think Einstein Technologies might try to address some of these issues in
the near future. :)

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Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
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Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

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>I agree. I missed the write anywhere as well and also the 2 lines writing
>which enables you to just write and write and write before actually sending
>the text to the application. The increased security, recognition, ability
>to edit the recognized text, ability to scratch to erase (more widely
>available) and lots more options for developers of ink enabled applications
>will give the tablet an immense usability boost. I forgot about the 2
>painpoints already :-)
>
> --
> Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
> www.howto-outlook.com
>
> Tips of the month:
> -Backup and Restore
> -Create an Office XP CD slipstreamed with Service Pack 3
>
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The dungeon siege problem is probably the same problem as other DirectX apps
that use the mouse for input. Basically because the digitizer's sample rate
is so much higher than a mouse, it sends packets to the game too frequently.
Since games don't look at the mouse as an absolute x/y position, just as
changes, this results in erratic movement with the pen.

But just to set the record straight, caret tracking and ink aware are two
completely different concepts. Caret tracking was designed for accessibility
so that assists could be made for people with disabilities. The input panel
uses this to its advantage to determine where focus is. (Not just focus, but
insertion point in the case of a full screen text area such as VS.NET).

So in the end, bottom line... not all apps support caret tracking. So in my
opinion, the TIP should still be able to float. Which is what I was trying
to say from the beginning. :)

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Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Go for it, Josh.  There's always a better way . . . somehow.  BTW - The
> "caret tracking" and "Ink-aware" to me are the same issues, wherein the
> program hasn't been updated for the newer technology.  It is like some
> anti-virus programs not identifying themselves to the Security Center in
> XP Service Pack 2.  Until they're updated, people are thinking the
> security portion is broken when it is, in fact, the AV software which
> isn't current.
>
> If you want some fun sometime, install Dungeon Siege on a Tablet PC.
> Plays great with a mouse, but introduce the pen and the "panning" within
> the game goes in circles.  Quite funny, actually.  8-)  But it isn't the
> fault of the Tablet PC superset.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
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